9/22    Any chance of getting ssh2 installed? not clobber ssh1, but just
        have ssh2 available so that we might be able to access other
        systems, pretty please? I'll do it if you gimme the root passwd!
        \_ You don't need to be root.  Just compile it in your home directory
           and delete the source tree once you'r done.  The README tells you
           how to do it.  Or better, put it in some shared directory so
           everyone has access to it.  The only bummer is that you can't get
           the daemon to work without being root.
        \_ What's the diff?
                \_ ssh2 uses the ssh 2.0 protocol which is more secure
                   some ssh2 servers won't accept ssh1 connections
                   \_ does that mean that they won't accept telnet/rlogin
                      sessions since those are less secure.  An ssh2.0
                      only server - that's unheard of.  Stop tabbing so
                        \_ It's what you get if you install sshd2 and don't
                           set it up to call sshd1 to handle old connections.
                           The sshd2 software only knows how to handle ssh 2.0
                           protocol.
                      far to the right.
                      \_ It's not unheard of and it makes great sense. --dim
                        \_ Some cs servers (like torus.cs) only accept ssh
                           & kerberos connections - no normal telnet/rlogin
                           \_ This is a good policy and should be expanded
                              (at least when there are more free
                              implementations of SSH).
           \_ originally, there was a problem with the ssh2 licensing that
              made it okay (without paying for licensing) to say have sshd
              running on a machine if say people were going to login and
              use the machine for homework but not necessarily so for
              machines like restricted access fileservers and nameservers
              that only administrative people needed (or could) log into.
              This may have changed since ssh2 was first released. --jon
              \_ It's still quite far from a free software license.  See
                 /tmp/SSH-LICENSE, if you want all the gory details; there
                 is a project to create a genuinely free replacement. -- schoen

9/22    Everyone keeps complaining that Clinton thinks he's above the law.
        I think everyone should be held to the same standards (even the
        president).  Therefore, everyone MUST disclose every last bit of
        detail about their private sex lives or face felony charges.
        \_ Disembowelment through the spinal column would be too good a
           death for a scrotumsniffing colon callous like you who
           apparatly lacks that certain je-ne-sais-qoi that allows members
           of the human species to demand, in some fit of cognitive
           activity, more of a leader than any average person with respect
           to morality, honesty and social responsibility which is EXACTLY
           WHY PEEWEE HERMAN IS NOT OUR PRESIDENT AND TINY-WILLIE KLINTON
           SHOULD NO LONGER BE but in the end these words are useless
           against a nerfherding, pillowbiting, synapselacking,
           lambspanking, chickenfucking, heartbleeding, femurfudging,
           zitnibbling, penguinpunching, nerurally challenged turdburgler
           the likes of yourself. -(fucker)

9/22    Scorched...sorry my finger slipped.
        \_ Impotent minds are so predictable as to allow me to make sure
           petty censorship doesn't go as unridiculed as your genitles too
           often do. So, for the soda geek world to know... this is what
           the above spinless halfwit "scortched". -(fucker):

"You will be spending 5 hours per week in this class.  You will spend 3
hours in lecture and 3 hours in discussion."
 -- UC Berkeley Math Professor Keith Miller
\-lecture and discussion may not be mutually exclusive.
  \_ are you saying that |L UNION D| = 5 or |L INTERSECT D| = 1. i think
     miller is just full of shit. just ask anyone who took math 54.

In Clinton's 1974 campaign for Congress, he stated that there was

        "no question that an admission of making false statements
        to government officials and interfering with the FBI and the
        CIA is an impeachable offense."

and that when a president is guilty of such offenses

        "I think it's plain that the president should resign and spare
        the country the agony of this impeachment and removal proceeding,"

Legalize Oral Sex!
\_ It's illegal now?
   \_ Yes, in several states, it is, actually.
        \_ And has been since they became states.
   \_ Yes, in some states, sodomy, defined as sex not strictly for the
      purpose of reproduction (oral, anal, etc) is illegal.  I seem to
      remember a case of a couple getting it on in their car getting
      arrested several years back.
   \_ Isn't there some weird ass law in Washington or some state (maybe
      it was a city) where you can't have sex if you're a virgin?
        \_ Does that mean a virgin would have to go to another state to
           devirginize?  How on earth did they think such a law would be
           regulated?

"Public media should not contain explicit or implied descriptions of sex
acts. Our society should be purged of the perverts who provide the media
with pornographic material while pretending it has some redeeming social
value under the public's 'right to know.' Pornography is pornography,
regardless of the source."

-Kenneth Starr, 1987, interview with Dianne Sawyer - 60 minutes
\_ Crap erased... it was hurting my eyes...

9/23    Any reccomendations on laptops?  --ramberg
                \_ Yer wife
        \_ ObIBM, the sony laptops are pretty, ERic has a libretto
                      \_ I want sony on my lap
                         \_ Down daveh
                         \_ rapist
           \_ Libretto is cute, but underpowered.  New PowerBook is *nice*...
              (another strange choice would be a PB2400c + NewerTech G3)
              \_ They're wonderfully compact, which makes them difficult to
                  type on. The 75CT is probably a good deal now at 999.
                  They're only underpowered if you run a Micro$oft bloatware
                  OS on them.  Runs fine with Freebsd. -ERic
                  type on unless you have the hands of a 5 year old. The 75CT
                  is probably a good deal now at $999. They're only
                  underpowered if you run a Micro$oft bloatware OS on them.
                  Mine runs fine with Freebsd. -ERic
           \_ Thinkpads and Powerbooks, accept no substitutions. -=Aubie
           \_ I've used two Toshibas, a Dell, and an IBM Thinkpad in the
              past two years.  Toshibas are nice, but they're either heavier
              than the competition, or they skimp on keyboard/screen size
              (a la the Protege/Libretto lines).  Don't even think about a
              Dell -- they have relatively bad engineering, particularly
              heat-dissipation-wise.  The IBM's are solid -- good keyboards
              and screens.
                        -nevman
        \_ the new Toshiba Tecra 8000 is REAL slick and small NICE
           the Protege 7000 is even smaller.. and nice big screens.
           -shac

9/23    Name Johns Chinchillas.  ~john/chinchillas

9/23    This is a Lewinski-free zone.
        \_ -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  0 Sep 22 18:06 /root/.noLEWINSKY

9/23    I'm trying to access the ucb newsgroups through a private ISP but
        agate doesn't seem to want to allow external connections.  I have a
        modem so running  netscape through X to show up on my local machine
        is not an option.  Is there some way I can connect to agate and trick
        it into thinking I'm from ucb? (like ssh forwarding) -thx
        \_ Use a real newsreader like trn/tin/slrn from a ucb machine like
                soda.
        \_ Try http://www.dejanews.com web-based news reader. --bkong
        \_ ssh -f -l you -L 119:agate:119 <DEAD>gobears.berkeley.edu<DEAD> sleep 86400
           NNTPSERVER=localhost trn
           \_ But please don't abuse this (since this technique can readily
              give unaffiliated off-campus people access to agate, and IS&T
              will then come to you by night and ping of death you).
           \_ Just out of curiosity, whose machine is "gobears"? And does it
              particularly have any relevance to this example, or is it a
              placeholder for "your favorite on-campus machine"?
              \_ Just a random on-campus machine.
              \_ <DEAD>gobears.berkeley.edu<DEAD> was home to the gobears mailing list,
                 web & ftp sites for Cal sports fans, but the machine died,
                 and the mailing list is now served off the ocf (mail to
                 gobears@gobears.berkeley.edu will be delivered to the mailing
                 list on the ocf) - the mailing list is gatewayed to ucb.sports
                 newsgroup
        \_ Why can't you use the news server provided by your ISP?
           \_   hello, do you know how to read?  they said they wanted
                access to ucb newsgroups.
                \_ This person said nothing about other newserver can't access
                   ucb newsgroup.
                   \_ If you have to ask, you don't know.
                      Buy a clue.
                        \_ You smart ass!!!
                           \_ Better a smart ass than a dumb shit like you.
        \_ a longer term solution is to ask your isp's newsadmin if they
           can pull your fave ucb.* newsgroups from agate.  I imagine that
           CNS doesnt really want thousands more people hitting it to read
           news but they may be more amenable to sending newsfeeds back to
           other newsservers, esp since agate may pull newsgroups from those
           very same newsservers. --jon
           \_ Agate will not accept posts to ucb.* from ISP newsservers. -tom
              \_ Though you can still then mail ucb-newsgroups-cool@agate from
                 elsewhere.  You can sort of make most newsreaders do that by
                 replying to author and then changing the address.