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| 1998/8/9-11 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:14432 Activity:high |
8/7 What are the advantages of FreeBSD over Linux?
\_ Well, FreeBSD's NFS implementation is better than Linux's
and FreeBSD has a reputation for better overall stability than
Linux. Also, I understand that FreeBSD scales to a large number
of users better because of how process scheduling is done.
I use Linux exclusively myself, because I have
a dual-CPU machine (which FreeBSD doesn't have good support for)
\_ Coming in October! -- tmonroe
an Alpha running Linux (no FreeBSD), and Sparcs (no FreeBSD.)
Also, the people in my research group are used to Linux, so it'd
be hard to get them to change. FreeBSD and Linux are both
very good: I certainly wouldn't be sorry to work in a place
running FreeBSD when I leave UCB. Irix or HP-UX, and I'd
be hating life. The standard response to "FreeBSD or Linux?"
is "run what your friends are running, so they can help you."
--PeterM
\_ Hey, WTF is wrong with Irix? Irix works fine.
--sagarwal
\_ Well I think that not packaging NFS/NIS with
a system is pretty crappy to starts off with.
I could go on but this digresses from the thread. --jon
\_ Does irix run on the Ix86 architecture? That's WTF is
wrong with it (for the purpose of this thread).
\_ Irix is insecure and SGI has announced they're dropping
it in favor of NT. What more do you want? (The total
reliance on non-standard gui tools is also annoying)
\_ I don't think NT or anything Microsoft makes is
considered the epitome of "standard" despite
their attempts to force the rest of the world
to revolve around themselves.
\_ Weeelllllllll.... if you've got %90 or so of
the marketplace and most software/app
companies are writing for your OS with your
API's, aren't you a defacto standard? If not,
then what is? Must it be ANSI approved to be
a standard? I don't think so.
\_ Standards are devised by a diverse
group of people from different
organizations, not from a single
corporation. Microsoft often takes
existing standards and alters it to its
own specs (MS Java? == standard Java,
cab came after zip,gz,and tar.gz,
Win95 api came after X11 and Atena
which at that time had been a standard,
and no, tcp/ip was not invented by
microsoft, yet they've tried to come up
with their own hoakey standard called the
Microsoft Network.
with their own hoakey standard called
Microsoft Networking.
\_ Speaking of standards most unix systems
are posix compliant (the way binary
files and OS's behave). The format for
most unix binaries is called executable
link format is is considered a standard
among institutions and developers and
allows people to easily develop tools
and operating systems that handle
binaries with great ease
(eg. binutils) Win95, on the other
hand, relies on some proprietary format
(those *.exe and *.dll) that no one but
Microsoft and people who purchase their
specs, can understand.
\_ That's very idealistic of you, but I still
say a standard is what the majority is
using. Bad, came afterwards, not posix,
etc doesn't mean jack if that's a minority
requirement and you can dominate the market
without being "standard". How can you be
a monopoly but not be a standard? It makes
no sense? You really think MS isn't a
monopoly?
\_ I guess your definition of
standardization is different than
mine. Your's is one based on social
conformity whereas mine is one made
based on intellegent and informed
decision making.
\_ the metrics system is considered by
most to be a universal standard.
Nevertheless, the english system
still dominates as the system of
choice by most Americans outside of
educational and research
institutions mostly in part due to
industry. Standards are devised
by reason not by popularity.
\_ FreeBSD is clean, stable, logical, and reliable. Linux has
more hardware and (native) software support, and is currently
the subject of more development. -- schoen
\_ Wow.. these are like both useful answers.. I was expecting a
holy war.
\_ These answers are only useful to computer gurus. For everyone
it's useless.
\_ Yes, you should just continue babbling and drooling in front
of your Win98 boxes. Have you paid microsoft today?
\_ No, I pirate all my MS software.
\_ You know they have it all bugged to report all your
pirated warez to microsoft if they can get on the
net. Better keep that machine off any form of
network.
\_ Laugh. This is a ridiculous claim.
\_ too bad we can't prove that because ms doesn't
release source code. That's the big advantage
of open source. You can verify if anything
malicious is taking place. You can also pick
out security flaws better.
\_ Easy enough to prove it *doesn't* happen.
Just monitor your IP traffic. If you don't
have any packets going anywhere (if they
*did* do this, I doubt they'd be dumb enough
to send the info directly to http://microsoft.com)
unidentifiable, then there can't be a
problem.
\_ This is beyond ridiculously stupid and paranoid.
"BILL GATES IS IN MY MIND!!! AAAAUUUUUGGGGHHHH!!!!"
\_ He talks to me all the time!! He doesn't talk
to you, ever? He tells me how I've always been
his most faithful user, and how very much he
loves me for supporting all of his company's
products. He says that once he divorces
Melinda, he's going to come for me (in a gold-
plated Learjet), he'll leave Microsoft to
Ballmer, and then we'll fly away to his private
island in the South Pacific to live out the
rest of our days in a $183 million palace of
pleasure that he's building _right_ _now_,
_just_ _for_ _me_!!! Take me away, Bill!!
\_ BG IS IN MY MIND!!! HE DOESN'T JUST TALK
TO ME!!! HE TELLS ME WHAT TO DO THROUGH
THE RADIATION COMING FROM MY MS MOUSE!!!
\_ Same here. Is the secret to getting questions answered to
ask on the weekends?
\-if you are into hardcore low-level networking, you may
have a preference ... then again, if you if you are working
in this kind of thing, you are probably aware of the issues.
we use BPf-style stuff rather than streams-styles machines
[e.g. solaris] for packet capture/analysis stuff for example.
[use freebsd on 400mhz pentiums with some kernel hacks ...
can keep up with a full duplex 100mbit feed]. --psb
\_ freebsd just killed my ethernet pcmcia card (or pcic,
dunno which, yet). nick
\_ Killed? Caused physical damage?
\_ FreeBSD has a more organized/centralized development process -
Linux is more chaotic/anarchic - this lets Linux change
faster, but makes FreeBSD easier to support (you don't
have to worry about which distribution/library set/etc. is
being used since there is only one).
\_ DiskAndExecutionMONitor >> penguin
\_ Even though I'm a FreeBSD user myself, I do place some
value on being a good neighbor. If the practice of
putting the Beastie and the Penguin at each other's
throats continues, the free UNIX world will kill itself.
While I won't liken this up to racism, I will say that
it's unnecessary. Suum cuique, and I will respect your
choices as long as you don't go on about how everything
else sucks. -- tmonroe, and what little Latin he remembers
\_ LINUX R000lEZ!!! FR33BSD DR)))000lEZEezzZZ!!!!11! |
| 1998/8/9-13 [Recreation/Pets] UID:14433 Activity:nil |
8/7 http://www.unrealnation.com/crackhouse/catscan.html \_ Cat Butt: Fear It! -=Aubie |
| 1998/8/9-1999/3/5 [Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:14434 Activity:moderate 66%like:14977 |
9/20 idiot troll deleted, again.
\_ You are a fucking asshole. You delete things that are
unintelligent. Fuck off dipshit.
\_ The ghost of kchang...
\_ you suck |
| 1998/8/9 [Uncategorized] UID:14435 Activity:nil |
8/7 Stupid grandmother junk deleted |
| 1998/8/9 [Uncategorized] UID:14436 Activity:nil |
8/7 You want proof? Here's the proof!
http://www.appledaily.com.hk/pages/980808/newr902.jpg
(From IHCC - Indonesian Huaren Crisis Center) |
| 1998/8/9 [Uncategorized] UID:14437 Activity:nil |
8/7 Does www.csua provide counters and clocks like Count.cgi?
\_ No - counters are wildly inaccurate, pointless wastes of bandwidth.
Clocks are 1 line of javascript, and pointless for us to provide
\_ You can also write a counter yourself; it doesn't need
privilege. |
| 1998/8/9-13 [Recreation/Media] UID:14438 Activity:very high |
8/7 TMBG tickets go on sale sunday for 9/10/98 show at Fillmore.
\_ Is there any way to order tickets over the phone? BASS, etc?
\_ like almost every other show in existence, you can order tix
\_ yes. learn to read.
\_ Paradoxically, without an ability to read, the
\_ Paradoxically, without the ability to read, the
person couldn't follow your advice to learn to do
so.
\_OK, I give up. Who or what is TMBG?
\_ They Might Be Giants. Is there going to be a CSUA group going?
\_ a question: why does TMBG have such a geek following (say,
as opposed to some other crappy 'alternative' band one
could pick)?
\_ geeks like things that are QUIRKY.
\_ They appeal to the intellectual, with songs like "Mammal".
One could say that they are an educational experience
from time to time. Of course, then there's S E X X Y...
-- tmonroe
\_ Pop music with an intellectual bent? Tell me next about
military intelligence and other oxymorons.
\_ I dunno, can any music with accordians be considered
pop? I always thought they were just "wierd".
over the phone through BASS, at BASS ticket outlets, or at
the venue itself. only the latter lets you avoid exorbitant
service charges.
\_ Show at Fillmore or tickets on sale at Fillmore or both?
\_ Both. (tickets also elsewhere, see above) |