Berkeley CSUA MOTD:1998:July:25 Saturday <Friday, Sunday>
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1998/7/25-26 [Computer/HW/IO, Politics] UID:14384 Activity:kinda low
7/26    http://cnnfn.com/hotstories/companies/9807/22/microsoft_pkg/gates3.mov
        \_ is that an Ultra 30 they leave on the curb?
                \_ I guess they couldn't figure out how to use it
           \_ too many buttons on the mouse for them.
        \_ Looks more like an Ultra2 to me?
1998/7/25-27 [Uncategorized] UID:14385 Activity:nil
7/26    Blade Runner on a reasonably large screen. 408-457-7726 for info.
        6PM-9PM
        \_ Director's cut or the sucky version?
1998/7/25-29 [Uncategorized] UID:14386 Activity:nil
7/24    Soon it will be as easy as:  cp psb1 psb.backup.
        http://www.nature.com/Nature2/serve?SID=25602728&CAT=NatGen&PG=mice
                 clone-home.html
        \_ Sigh.  When will they start cloning humans?
          \_ what makes you sure they aren't already?  They've already taken
             samples from psb's opressive white penis to start the new
             MASTER RACE.
                                        \_ I thought it's blue or orange
        \_ This isn't possible.  There is only one psb who is all.  How
           can you copy that which already exists everywhere?  --psb #1 Fan
                \_ One psb to rule them all and in the darkness bind them.
1998/7/25-29 [Uncategorized] UID:14387 Activity:nil 66%like:14171 50%like:14413
7/24    ssh 1.2.26 installed, bugs to mconst.
1998/7/25 [Uncategorized] UID:14388 Activity:nil
7/24    poliburo proposes that we sodomize tom!
        \_ i second that motion
          \_ h0zer, I am not a homosexual, and even if I were, you aren't
             my type.  Go play with seano.  -tom
1998/7/25-28 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:14389 Activity:kinda low
7/24    hello, does anyone knwo if there is a reasonable comparison of
        perforance of x86 unixes? there is some circa 1996 stuff at
        http://mosquitonet.stanford.edu/~laik/benchmarks but obviously
        something more uptodate would be nice. this is for a high-end
        machine, in case that makes a difference. --psb
        \-jeeze louise: high-end is relative to it's class. by this i mean
        a pentium 400 and not a pentium66 ... i dont know if one of the OSes
        makes compromises to run nicely on lower end hardware. Obviously i am
        not referring to a $24million dollar computer. --psb
        \_ COMMODOR 64 RULES ALL
        \_ "high-end x86" hmmmm
          \_ as opposed to being on, say, a 386 ?
            \_ "high-end Cray/Alpha/Solaris", okay... "high-end x86" hmmmmmmm
                \_ Death to all the closed minded technology-at-any-price
                   bigots!
                \_ what about a low end Cray? hmmm...
                \_ I'll put a PII-400 against your EV4 Alpha or Sun Sparc
                   at any speeds they sell to the market.  Wake up.
                   \_ Are you on drugs? While comparable in integer
                      performance, Intel chips still suck at floating
                      point -- and then you get to deal with crappy PC
                      hardware, too. --dim
                        \_ The last time you used FP was....?  The rest of
                           hardware is whatever you put in the box.  What
                           crappy hardware were you referring to exactly?
                           The same HDs made by seagate/wd/quantum, etc?
                           The same video chips/cards from asia?  The same
                           memory from asia?  Hell, even your mouse is
                           probably from the same factory in asia.  No, I'm
                           not on drugs.  I have my mind open and my
                           calculator on.  I left my bible in the trash.
                           \_ Floating point is very important to many of
                              the applications I run. I don't even bother
                              looking at integer performance. PC hardware
                              is kludgy and lame. Remember that the next
                              time you're flashing your BIOS to get your
                              MMX-enhanced, PnP, jumperless, EIDE (ha!
                              although Sun has succumbed) controller
                              working. Intel makes good chips at excellent
                              prices. There's a lot more to a machine than
                              CPU performance though (e.g. bus speeds).
                              PCs are still mid-range and don't forget it.
                              --dim (who loves X86 boxes but isn't blinded
                                     by Wintel)
                           \_ There's a lot more why the x86 architecture
                              sucks besides FP.  FP is used a lot in lossy
                              decompression (like mp3) and high end
                              graphics.
                           \_ /dev/hme, zs0, ring overflow.  Gogo SUN
                              cheap ass parts. --jon
                              (okay to be fair, even with these crappy
                               parts that have been around for ages and
                               have much better functional replacements
                               around now, Sun makes sparc workstations
                               work and work consistently)
                   \_ Er, um, a PII-400 will stomp an EV4 alpha on nearly
                      anything.  EV4's are the same generation as Pentiums...

h0zer
                      EV5 (21164) alphas are comparable in int, faster in
                      fp.  Ultras are also comparible in int to PII, and
                      also faster in FP.  --PeterM
                        \_ Exactly my point.  You're choosing to put the P2
                           against another chip based on integer performance
                           and then say it sucks against that chip by another
                           measure.  Let's turn that around and compare an
                           Intel chip vs. an Alpha with the same FP and then
                           we can all say how much the Alpha sucks compared to
                           "a comparable" Intel chip.
                        \_ do you realize how stupid that is?  Pitting Intel's
                           current fastest processor against a processor Dec
                           made two years ago, just because the processor Dec
                           made two years ago was as fast then as Intel's
                           fastest chip is now, is absurd.  Match Intel's
                           fastest chip against Dec's.  Or do a bang-for-buck.
                   \_ I dunno, our UE10000 is awfully zippy...
                        \_ Sparc, not Ultra.  Just making the point that
                           not all sparc/alpha >>> all intel.  Throw in some
                           price/performance numbers and intel starts looking
                           pretty damned good for a lot of things.
                           \_ Motorola 680x0 will always be here.  You
                              are not ready for immortality.
        \_ Apparently not.
1998/7/25-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:14390 Activity:nil
7/23    Someone who knows soda guys submit a HappyPoll on who is the Sexyest!
        \_ ~chris/pub/sexy
                \_ chris certainly knows the most soda guys.
        \_ You guys, this is really old.  --chris
1998/7/25 [Uncategorized] UID:14391 Activity:nil
7/26    A Survey of Soda Breastsize.  Please add your entries.
1998/7/25 [Uncategorized] UID:14392 Activity:very high
7/26    A Survey of Soda Breastsize.  Please add your entries.
        36Q
        30AA (Asian CSUAers - male _and_ female)
                I thought android/choice was bigger
1998/7/25-26 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:14393 Activity:nil
7/24    What is the best way to do encrypted FTP? I'd like to do the data
        stream, but I'd settle for the command channel. Anonymous FTP would
        be nice, too. SSL is the only method I've investigated. Ideas? --dim
        \_ SSH port forwarding for this is pretty standard; you might need to
           use passive FTP.  Datafellows is also coming out with an FTP client
           with built-in SSH soon, they say.  If you don't need interactive
           capability, SCP is far better. -- schoen
           \_ Already using SCP, but have need for FTP. Port forwarding as
              described in the SSH FAQ is not an option. I need a more
              transparent solution. Thanks. --dim

   /- Whoa, news from the future!
Berkeley CSUA MOTD:1998:July:25 Saturday <Friday, Sunday>