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| 1998/7/8-9 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:14299 Activity:insanely high |
7/8 What happens if you do a set uid=0. Does that automatically
give your root access. (set gid=0, set user=root)
\_ You know, if you try logging in as "System Administrator"
without a password on some of those NT machines they'll let
you right in. Those are our security-minded sysadmins at
eecs instructional.
\_ NT is insecure by definition. Besides, who cares if
you can login as admin on an NT client? All you can
do is hoze the local machine, which is going to be
wiped & reinstalled anyway since NT sucks so badly.
\_ If you have access to the console, any OS is
insecure by definition
\_ If the machine is up and running, it's
insecure by definition.
\_ Strongly agree!!! The most
secured system is the one powered
off!!!
\_ Someone here gets the crash screen a few times a week. I
guess I am among the very few lucky ones since I've only
gotten the crash screen a few times in the past months.
\_ What's wrong with you people. I have NT running
\_ We're mad as hell that Microsoft is spending
millions of dollars in seldom-countered
\_ At least, I can run more applications than
Linux developer can support. Imagine trying
develop Oracle applications with Linux...
Oh..I forgot Oracle doesn't support Linux.
\_ If it's not supported by the major
software vendors or my company,
it's useless!!!
advertising that creates the impression that
there is something wrong with anybody who doesn't
Don't want to waste that on a Linux OS
where I can't install anything but
shareware and freeware.
use Microsoft software. (Even if that's not the
particular meme you were repeating.) The looks
you get when you say you don't use Windows are
like the looks when you say you're a vegetarian,
or an atheist. -- vegetarian atheist Linux user
use Microsoft software.
since last year, I have not experienced any
system crash yet. I have IIS 3, Oracle 8 server,
networking, and a bunch of DB development tools.
\_ your machine must be going at 2 miles per
hour. FOR THE LAST TIME...GET LINUX.
\_ Not if you got a PII with 300mhz system
and 128MB RAM, Dell Workstation 400.
Don't want to waste on a Linux OS that is
supported by shareware and freeware.
\_ machines scale linearly O(n) with
Linux and O(log(n)) with Winblows.
Funny, there's about ten times
more software with Windows but you
can still do so much more with
Linux.
\_ The point is, the software I need
to get my work done is not supported
by Linux. If you work for the
corporate company, you don't have
luxury of picking the sofware, in
my case database and web tools,
you want to use.
\_ I work with both unix and
winblows based machines at
work which involves web and
database integration. I find
unix tools much more flexible
and easier to work with than
the winblows ones. See Perl
DBI modules.
\_ My company doesn't like
\_ Apache has had in-proc
Perl support for a good
perl. We like products
been?
such as the Oracle 2000
products. It's faster
to develop and has nicer
UI. Besides, cgi/perl is
slow. It needs to compile
and start a process every
web access. If you need
support like 500+ users,
it's going be nightmare.
\_ Apache has had single
binary, in-process Perl
support for a good
long time. Where've you
been? Microsoft PR firm?
\_ So does IIS. That's
no point. There are
guidelines within
IS group of what
software is permitted
and what software
is not. For ex.,
we're not allowed
write java applets.
\_ Don't pretend,
then, please,
that the peculiar
prejudices of
your IS group
represent a good
technical
argument. "My
IS group hates
free software"
!= "besides,
cgi/perl is
slow". Your
companies can
detest free OSes
all they like,
but it doesn't
make them any
less scalable.
\_ It's a
Corporate
life. They
don't call
"corporate
slave" for
nothing.
\_ I'll take
my freedom,
thanks.
\_ Hear,
hear.
Working
for
someone
else's
IT
department
really
blows
goats.
Excuse
me
while
I
exacerbate
the
problems
that
this
particular
motd
was
developing
already.
-- tmonroe
\_ It's the
leaning
tower of
motd!
\_ AT some
point the motd
just has to wrap
back to the left
side. -ERic
\_ Yeah, God damn gcc, Perl, Apache, X11,
SSH, Emacs, GIMP, Netscape, and the rest
of them to HELL! They weren't written by
Microsoft Certified Developers! And none
of those wimpy languages like Scheme and
Java, because they aren't Visual Basic!
And BIND and sendmail supporting the
fundamental architecture of the
Internet... that's just a myth made up by
Microsoft haters! Everyone knows that
TCP/IP was really developed on Windows NT
by Microsoft Certified Developers, who
wouldn't touch that shareware and
freeware with a 1,024-foot pole!
\_ Tell that to your CIO.
\_ We already had this flamewar,
once upon a time: but I'll repeat
myself. It is not difficult to
get jobs using Linux which do
not require you to support
Windows.
I do not have a CIO, but I do
have a boss and coworkers who
are enthusiastic about software
other than that which you get
from Redmond. Thank you.
\_ Maybe I should quit my
$80+K job and my 5 yrs of
M$/Oracle experience and
go for Linux/Perl supported
company.
\_ Yes, you should. There
are already $80K Linux
jobs here and there, a
nice feat considering
the presently low market
share of Linux.
\_ With little or no
Linux experience???
I don't know. You'll
lucky to get $60-70K
job. I am sure if
you are expecting
10-20% increase for
job change. Good
luck if you looking
Linux job at $90-100K.
\_ yes.
\_ DUDE!!!! YOU'VE JUST FOUND A MASSIVE SECURITY HOLE!!!!!
DON'T TELL ANYONE, OR SUN WILL SEND A TEAM OF BLACKSUITED KILLER
NINJAS UNDER COVER OF NIGHT TO SNUFF YOU OUT!!!!
\_ Hmmm...I just tried this "% set uid=0; rm -f /etc/passwd" but
permission denied.
\_ Yer just not eleete enuf. try with a " ~ " before the
/etc/passwd.
\_ try cp /bin/csh ~; chown root:root ~/csh; chmod a+s ~/csh |
| 1998/7/8-10 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:14300 Activity:moderate |
7/8 Does anyone have experience with STL (Standard Template Library)?
A benchmarked their vector class about 6 months ago and it was
twice as slow as my own version. Also g++ didn't seem to support
it very well. If I want to compile with g++ is STL worth using?
Thank you for the advice. -emin
\_ "their vector class"? from what i know, STL has many diff
implementations, it's not a generic C++ thing, it depends on the
compiler vendor or the 3rd party provider. -oj
\_ Sorry, I meant the vector class in the STL that came with
my g++ on FreeBSD. -emin
\_ g++ is known to be ugly.
\_ Do you have a better suggestion for a UNIX compiler?
\_ There are some commercial ones, if you want. |
| 1998/7/8-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14301 Activity:low |
7/7 what is all that crap in the official motd about routing mail?
\_ If you currently use soda as an smtp server, it'll stop working
unless you're in berkeley or you are only sending mail to soda.
\_ out of curiousity, what were the reasons that this change was
made? prevent others from leeching resources?
\_ To stop spam relaying.
\_ And thus keep soda off of the RBL.
\_ what is RBL?
\_ The black list discussed in the bottom half of the
motd [formatting corrected. -Format Master]
\_ I have not now, nor have I ever, been a member of
Organization X.
\_ To stop the several hundred complaints sent to
postmaster@berkeley.edu & abuse@berkeley.edu in the
last few days since some spammer discovered we relayed.
\_ Question: since this is supposed to be run by various
super clued security minded people, how come we were
relaying in the first place?
\_ convience to soda users?
\_ because some of our 'super-clued' but perhaps less
'security minded' people decided the convenience of
supporting users with their POP mailers coming from
random ISP's would be better and bring less complaint
hassles to root@soda. -ERic
\_How is this supposed to prevent "security problems",
it sounds stupid.
\_ It doesn't. It prevents spammers from using soda to
spam the world, and prevents root from getting flooded
with mail complaints every time spammers do. (Which
has happened lately - this isn't theoretical.)
\_ It only sounds stupid, because you don't have a clue.
\_ I went to the clue farm yesterday and bought a new born
clue. I'm starting my own herd.
\_ You couldn't catch a clue if you covered yourself
in clue musk and stood in a field of horny clues
in the middle of clue mating season.
\_ That's why I'm starting my own clue herd with
some clue I bought at the clue farm. No
catching required.
\_ Hey, that sounds like a clue... where can
I get one? How much do they cost? URL? |
| 1998/7/8-10 [Computer/SW/Graphics] UID:14302 Activity:nil |
7/7 Wind River, Zinc to duel Win CE
\_ Don't they already have something called windX?
\_ they have a port of X11 from a 3rd party
and Navio's graphics software as well.
\_ There is no Navio, only NCI!
All graphics components have different characteristics
and resource requirements, Zinc's ZAF being the least
demanding of resources. --daveh
\_ do I sense an impending resurgence of Zinc Haiku? -ERic
\_ Wind River Systems
Vee Eks Works Real Time Ohh Ess
Now Has Zinc for you |
| 1998/7/8-10 [Uncategorized] UID:14303 Activity:moderate |
7/8 tpc and geordan now demoted to commoner. Demigod status is earned
by merit only. Demigods and angels should not vote for each other.
Rules enforced by HappyCop (tpc and geordan). Read the new rules.
http://soda.berkeley.edu/~kchang/happy
\_ Shut up, cmlee.
\_ How long until kchang sells out to u$oft and you see
"Happy, by Microsoft", just like you did with Hotmail.
\_They were really demoted because they discovered kchang's
mom was no longer tight enough for her softball fetish, and
began supplying her with volleyballs. -meyers |
| 1998/7/8 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:14304 Activity:nil |
7/8 root@cory looking for student to run around yelling "No food in labs!"
and answer mail saying "Netscape gives bus errors because it sucks."
and they pay you $17/hour - <DEAD>www-inst.eecs/~iesg/jobs.html<DEAD> |
| 1998/7/8-10 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:14305 Activity:moderate |
7/8 Anyone know where I can find C++ libraries that handle infinite
precision numbers?
\_ Check out the gmp library from GNU. I think gmp stands for
GNU Multi-Precision. I used this library and it works great.
I highly recommend it over BigNums. The gmp library
is actually a C library but you can use it with C++ or write
wrappers if you want object oriented stuff. -emin
\_ What functions does it provide? Only +-*/? trigonometric?
\_ http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/gmp/gmp_toc.html
It provides +-/*><, log, exp, gcd, and some others.
I don't think it provides trig functions. -emin
\_ What gmp lacks in trigonometry, you can compensate
for it with a polynomial approximation. -- tmonroe
\_ Um, unless you have a machine with infinite memory, I don't
think you will find this. I think you're looking for an
arbitrary precision library. GMP looks good. -- Mr. Nitpick
\_ I think Mr. Nitpick should meditate on the difference between
a library and the platform on which it runs. --pld |