Berkeley CSUA MOTD:1998:June:10 Wednesday <Tuesday, Thursday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
1998/6/10 [Uncategorized] UID:14190 Activity:nil
6/8  Hey X-files fans.  What do you guys think is the real reason why Mulder
     is so fascinated with his sister's disappearance?  I think it has to do
     with his subconscious incestuous feelings (and maybe even a real
     incestuous relationship before she disappeared).  How else can you explain
     this fanatical enthusiasm?  Shit, if my sister got abducted by aliens I
     wouldn't be as crazy as he is.  So there has to be something more to
     the story.
        \_  You're just projecting your own incestuous desires onto Mulder.
            Any normal person would be a bit loopy if their sibling got
            abducted by aliens while they watched.
1998/6/10-12 [Industry/Jobs, Industry/Startup] UID:14191 Activity:high
6/9  I need some information on starting salaries for new cs grads in
     Silicon Valley.  Anyone willing to post some numbers in the motd?
     Also if anyone knows a reliable source for this information please
     let me know.  Thanks.  -emin
     \_ 45K-75K for fresh out of college.
             \_ what kind of idiot's pay this much for new grads?
               \_ the kind that cant hire anymore furriners
                \_Foreigners are REALLY cheap and hard working. They're also
                  pretty smart. Get them while you can.     -Foreigner fetish
                  \_ Perhaps it's a Green Card issue. --jon
                  \_ and put up with more management bs...
     \_ Depends on what kind of work you're interested in, and what
        kinds of skills you have.  $45K-$75K is about correct if you
        have a college degree.  It can go lower if you don't have a college
        degree or if you have very little skills.
        \_ not terribly true.  With less than two years of college, I was
           already able to take about $50k with decent benies.  granted, i
           was a contracted sysadmin, but hey, it's cash.
     \_ i think a decent job with a decent company will start at around
        45K-50K.  the ones that pay more IMO sucked...i.e. you're working
        for a crappy company (like tandem), you're doing crap work (like
        writing freaking printer drivers), etc...but for pretty cool C++,
        java, CORBA type work that's cutting edge at a big company or a
        small but very promising generally get around 45K-50K
        plus some stock options.  that's the route that i would take.
        \_ Person with MS (phd candidate) from Berkeley got 70K at my company.
           Person with BS from Berkeley got 60K although he's REALLY good.
           My company is big. 30,000 employees. I bet smaller companies pay
           even better.
        \_ How much can you expect your salary to rise in the first several
           years, provided you're doing a good to excellent job.
           \_ 13%, 32%, 44%, 15%.
           \_ I got a $10K raise from $55K to $65K after my first year
              because my company thought I did an incredible job.  I think
                \_ so how much are you making now d00d??3?
              this kind of thing is most likely at start-ups where they
              need really good engineers and the company is small enough
              for people with power to realize when engineers are worth the $.
           \_ (real value) I got an 8% raise after first year in large
              company (>10000)
              company (>60,000 employees).
           \_ 8% raise, plus another 6% "increase to match the market"
                because the company realized it was paying too little ^_^
           \_ I got a 1% raise after my first year!!!!!  And they upgraded my
              free candy from Tootsie Rolls to Hershey's Kisses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
       \_ Well, someone go and bug the career center to reveal what's the median
          salary range for CS & EE and post it here please!!  It was $45K a year
          for Bachelor a year and half ago when I asked .
          \_ Funny you mentioned this. When they gave me the survey, I wrote
             down "$10,000/year PLUS A LOT OF STOCK OPTIONS!!!" I asked all of
             my friends to do the same. I wonder if they really averaged
             all the numbers :) In short, it's probably better to have an
             industry filled with people who have real passion for
             technological wonders than people who are overly money
             hungry or obsessed with making over $XYZk a year      -kchang
                \_ i'm sure it hasn't changed that much since then
             \_ They probably saw the "$10,000/year" part and filed your
                survey in the "Ethnic Studies Major" folder without bothering
                to look any further.  That's why responses like yours don't
                skew the healthy EECS numbers.
        \_ 2 years ago when i graduated, i started out at 35K (june 96).  at
           the end of the year, i also got a 7K bonus so it came out to 42K.
           in june 97, my raise after one year brought me up from 35K base
           to 50K base.  with bonus my salary ended up at around 55K (salary
           restructured to give lower bonsuses).  then 6 months later in
           jan 98, i got another raise and brought me up to 60K base +
           around a 10K bonus for this year.  i also cashed in on my
           stock options as the small company was acquired.  got around
           20K.  this month, i got another raise...our raises are every six
           months now and my new salary is 70K base + 15K/year salary +
           more options in the new larger company that acquired us (they are
           public and IPO).
1998/6/10-11 [Uncategorized] UID:14192 Activity:nil
6/9  Local band, The Naked Barbies, is in an onine polling contest to open
     this year's Lilith Fair.  Vote for the Barbies at:
1998/6/10 [Uncategorized] UID:14193 Activity:nil
6/8  Nonsense about X-files posted by tawei erased.
1998/6/10-11 [Uncategorized] UID:14194 Activity:nil
6/10 Sometimes when I telnet into soda through a proxy, the terminal
     displays characters that I type more than once (though this doesn't
     apear to be consistent--sometimes a character is seen once, sometimes
     more than once).  Anyone have an idea as to what it might be?
1998/6/10-11 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:14195 Activity:nil 66%like:14335
6/10 Trolls SUCK.
     \_ I like trolls.  What do you have against short people?  Don't forget
        about all the good things they do for us, like the time that the
        Seven Trolls saved Snow White from the wicked witch . . .
        \_ so you like jsl?
1998/6/10-11 [Recreation/Sports] UID:14196 Activity:high
6/10 World Cup begins! Brazil 2 x 0 Scotland.   -leblon
        \_ it's 2-1
     \_ the Dutch will take it all this time around
1998/6/10-11 [Uncategorized] UID:14197 Activity:nil 60%like:14200
6/10 The Kingdom 2!  Tonight! 7pm! UC Theater! - danh
1998/6/10-11 [Uncategorized] UID:14198 Activity:nil
6/10 So the worst thing about Spy's going out of business (yet again)
     is now I have the humiliating experience of recieving POV every
1998/6/10 [Uncategorized] UID:14199 Activity:nil
6/8  blah blah blah, you overworked corporate slaves.
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