Berkeley CSUA MOTD:1998:March:05 Thursday <Wednesday, Friday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
1998/3/5-7 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:13760 Activity:high
3/4     Perl gurus: If I can convert from gmtime to scalar time (ie. convert
        a number like 8892341243 -> 2/3/98 11:00PM, how do I do the reverse?
        \_ use Time::Local;
1998/3/5-6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:13762 Activity:insanely high
3/05    I would like to vote for a "no porn" policy on the CSUA web site.
        The situation is simply getting too ridiculous;  not to even mention
        that it may be violating some UCB policy.  I propose that we all
        porn pages off to OCF if they can host them and leave CSUA
        to be used for more important things.  THank YOu.
        -A very concerned CSUA member/parent
        \_ Show us what UCB policy is being violated, or for that matter
           what CSUA policy.  And define "porn."  -tom
        \_ I'm not your kids' parent.  Deal with it.  It doesn't take a
           village to raise a child.  It takes parents.  Real parents.  You
           seriously believe that removing art from the CSUA's web site will
           keep Johnny from seeing nekkig girlz on the web?
        \_ If you want this done, propose it at the next politburo
           meeting.  If enough members vote for it, it will become
           the law.
           \_ Yep, and who gets squicked when non-porn gets removed or you
              fail to police "real" porn and someone's kid sees it?  Let it
        \_ No such UCB policy exists.  In fact, this is a really really bad
           idea because now you're trying to decide what's porn and not and
           the "I can't define it, but I know what it is when I see it" method
           doesn't hold water.  Also, you're talking about possible
           infringement of first amendment rights.  I *strongly* suggest the
           CSUA ignores all the porn.  If you want a disk space policy, that's
           a different matter, but you're looking for trouble when you filter
           by content.  At my site we don't do *any* sort of anything like
           this.  Until there's a serious legal problem, just leave it alone.
           I suggest this concerned parent watch what their kids are doing on
           the computer.  It is your responsibility to take care of your kids,
           not the CSUA's or any other computer organisation.  Try NetNanny or
           something if it bothers you so much.  -A very concerned member
        \_ Look, I'm as much in favor of a good yank as the next guy, maybe
           even more, but I think a no porn policy might be good.  It's not an
           infringement of the first amendment, any more than, say, the
           Chronicle refusing to print porn is.  It's honestly mostly a matter
           of bandwidth - the CSUA has had a lot of problems with porn getting
           too many hits, and there's no reason to believe that'll stop.  As
                \_ So the problem is number of hits, not that it's porn.
                   Therefore, censorship solves the wrong problem and the
                   correct solution is either per-user hit limits or hacking
                   the httpd/kernel to assign scheduling tickets for user pages
                   out of the user's pool so if one user gets lots of hits it
                   only hoses them.     -alanc-
           far as what's porn and what isn't, that's a hard decision
           sometimes;es, but it's fairly reasonable to say that it can be
           judged on a case-by-case basis (like everyothing else in this
             \_ Really?  You plan to personally view all 5000 gifs I intend
                to make available on a weekly rotating basis?
           crazy, shiftless world).  Or, another way of doing it is saying
           that any content that generates a certain level of bandwidth
           should require approval beforehand.  The question isn't whether
             \_ One man's porn is another man's art.  Are we using my
                standards or yours?  I'm surprised to see such right wing
                control oriented fascism coming from you, Ted.  Where have
                the barefoot days gone?
           porn is bad - it's whether CSUA should shell out the bucks to host
           it.  -thepro
                \_ The problem is CSUA bucks come via mandatory student fees
                        and are therefore bound by all sorts of University
                        & ASUC regulations.  If the CSUA decides to exercise
                        editorial control over web pages it causes many more
                        problems than not doing so.  (Not that the CSUA spends
                        any bucks on web serving - the machine was donated and
                        the net is paid for by the University.)
                        \_ THANK YOU!  This is the point I failed to make
                           earlier.  -first to say leave it alone.
        \_ Oh pull that dildo out of your ass and shut the fuck up.  If
           keep your kid from viewing porn if it bothers you.  Don't
           make the rest of the world do your work for you. -aspo
        \_ Bitch, shut the fuck up.  You stole my man bitch, I'm taking
           you on Springer.  Bitch!!!
1998/3/5-7 [Computer/SW/OS/Misc] UID:13763 Activity:moderate
3/5     Does anyone know if someone wants to talk to my soda account from a
        machine running HP-UX Release B.10.20 (or any HP-UX), should he use
        "talk" or "ntalk" or other variants of talk?  Thanks.  -- yuen
        \_ "ytalk" if you have it solves most of these problems.  It will
           do both at the same time and has some other nifty options.
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