1/27    whom is by no means a dead form. it's the indirect object form --aaron
        \_ Exactly.  It's dead.
           \_ Sign, so we can mock you when you use an indirect object  --pld
                \_ Indirect objects aren't dead in general.  Just the overly
                   haughty and elitist "whom" which sounds like a wannabe
                   British Royal.  This is America, speak American, God damn
                   it!

1/27    <DEAD>207.212.80.99<DEAD>

1/27    Let's say you get your Cal diploma. Then you kill one of your profs.
        Can you get your diploma revoked?
        \_ Someone finally offed Prof. Wu?
           \_ Whats wrong with Wu?  He was one of the most lucent math
              profs I had.
                \_ He's a raging flaming piece of shit who should never
                   have been allowed to teach.
                   \_ Actually, he's great compared to Hsiang.
                      \_ Had both.  Little difference.  One weighs more.
                         \_ Duh.  I had both.  Otherwise how could I make
                            the comparison?  I actually learned something
                            from Wu.  Hsiang just babbled on about how
                            greate the ancient Chinese geometers were.
                            \_ Obviously you're on drugs or you would have
                               dropped both classes.  Your opinion is invalid.
        \_ This is a very interesting conversation, but does anyone know the
           answer? Thanks.
           \_ The answer is "No, not as far as I know, they don't revoke a
              diploma for a post-graduation felony unrelated to academic
              fraud, however you will end up in prison and learn all about
              gang rape and AIDS.  You'll have bigger problems than possible
              revokation (is that a word?) of your diploma".  How's that?
                \_ So Ted Kazinsky retains his title at Harvard and Cal?
                        \_ Probably.  Heard anything otherwise?

1/27    Can someone:
        1: add suexec to scotch's httpd
                \_ No.  Not an option. --root
                \_ adding suexec to scotch is not trivial.  --jwang
        2: move httpd to soda?
        \_ Why does it matter where it is? If you're concerned about having
           to go to some hard-to-remember directory, you could always make
           a symbolic link from your root dir to your html dir
           \_ can't edit /etc/motd.public through my cgi-bin, can't run
              my ps through my cgi-bin, can't kill, can't fork, etc.
                        \_ Those are all good things - people not logged in
                                to soda should not be able to do that.
                \_ can't even bother to log in to be a hoser ;-)
          \ Don't bring up the subject of CGI or SSI .. we ARE not trusted
                \_ We will be once someone sets up suexec. It's simple!!!
        \_ Root is discussing the pros & cons of doing this - if you want
                your opinion to actually matter, mail root, don't bother
                posting in the motd.

1/27    Tomorrow (Wednesday).  B5.  Casa de nweaver.  7pm.  Be there.

1/27    identd is running on soda, btw, with some modifications, read manpage
        \_ it's generating cookies, not returning plain usernames. this means
           two things: 1) soda admin can still ID people and 2) IRC has
           problems because it's written by stupid people, for stupid people.
           we now return you to your regularly scheduled idiocy --aaron
       \_ does this mean ill have to cut down on my "finger motd@soda"
          habit :)
          \_ this is not an identd thing. whether fingerd reverse-queries
             for ident information is wholly independent of us running an
             identd. --aaron
        \_ I read it, but I still don't really get what it does, or how
           it's used.
                \_ When you connect to other computers, they can find out
                        which of the 100+ users on soda at that time opened
                        the connection.
        \_ identd is installed? really? IRC is still generating random
           user names
                \_ Read what aaron wrote you moron.
                    \_ f.u. moron, I wrote this before aaron replied. Dumbass
        \_ I thought it was agreeded a long time ago that soda would
           NOT run identd.
                \_ In your dreams.
           \_ Yeah, and that was written down where exactly and agreed
              by who?  [I said "who", I meant "who".  "Whom" is a dead form.]
                \_ not dead as long as you get flamed for using "who" where
                   people want to hear "whom"...
                   \_ uh huh... what people?  a pompous grammarian ass like
                      yourself who still didn't answer my question?
                        \_ yup! grammar stratifies. live with it.
                                \_ Don't stratify me you el8ist prick.
           \_ The last thing I ever heard was that adork wouldnt run it on
              the sequent due to problems with Dynix's TCP stack -- clueless

Shit erased.
\_ good call.

1/28    Someone explain the difference between bribing and lobying?
        \_ Not too much.  One goes straight to the pocket, the other takes
           a more indirect route and may end up in a few extra pockets.

1/28    Don't trust anything that bleeds for 5 days and doesn't die.
        - Seen in Men's room in Cory
        \_ Nah, it's just a guy who hates women now cuz he got
           spurned, as usual.  --female
           \_ Yes, but hopefully it was by a real woman not some geek chick.

1/28    What's the best long-distance company?  Price?  Ethics (yeah right)
        What's the best ISP? Price? Speed? Ethics? Service?
        \_ i recommend Working Assets for long-distance.  price is fine,
           and they do have ethics.  they donate money to non-profits of
           your (the customers) choice.         --lila
        \_ Funny that you asked. Ever since the deregulation of telecomm
           with  voices of "freedom to choose your company", all the
           corporations start to dick everyone around by changing rates
           every month, offering cool deal then charging a buckload later,
           talk "MUD" about other companies, etc. It ends up that the real
           l00zers in this deregulation business are not the big bad AT&T,
           but the consumers who are so confused that they'll never have
           any clue on best rates.

1/28    To all the anti-Bill-Gates people.
        If Microsoft is such an "evil empire", how come 75% of the jobs that
        I'm offered and 75% of the jobs that I get offers from are all
        Microsoft related?
        \_ Uhm.... DUH!  That's *exactly* the point.  Someone get the CSUA
           Bat.  Apply until done.
        \_ And how do you define "M$ related"?
        \_ There are those of us who think that a little variety would be
           good for creative professional competition/development.
           micro$quish crushes individuality, like yours, with monolithic
           size, buyouts and market leverage. This is bad.
                \_ Don't explain, just get the bat.

1/28    New job opportunities for Software Developers at a Berkeley
        start up company in /csua/pub/jobs/OPC_TECH.  --emin
        \_ Does it in any way use Microsoft product?
           \_ No this company has absolutely nothing to do with Microsoft
              and I seriously doubt that Microsoft would even consider
              buying it.  If you want an opportunity to do interesting,
              challenging, and creative software development
              this is a great place to work.          --emin
                \_ Well, that means when I look for jobs elsewhere after
                   a couple of years, I will not be able to find anything
                   cuz most of the companies want to hire Microsoft people.
                   UNIX is c00l and all but Microsoft is the one that pays
                   the rent and the bill man.
                   \_ Oops. UNIX must be paying my bills by mistake. -- khogan

1/28    Tonight.  B5.  Casa de Nick.  7:00.  Be there.