11/30   Welcome to Soda Mark V.  There have been changes from Soda Mark IV.
        Add /csua/bin to your path. this is where user contrib stuff goes now.
        A more complete list of changes will be compiled shortly and a
        pointer to it will be posted here.

FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE #0: Sun Nov 30 19:17:07 PST 1997

12/2    Soda is running an experimental lottery scheduler.  Read
        /csua/share/doc/lottery_info.  --dpetrou

11/27   General Meeting Wed, Dec 3, 1997 6:30 306 Soda Hall
        Elections Elections Elections.  Read http://ucb.org.csua for more.

11/26   Problems with the ethernet card have been resolved thanks to
        a donation by PeterM. --jon

12/2    Does Perl's dbm package let you synchronize correctly, when
        different threads access the same dbm file at the same time?

12/2  Pentium II sucks big time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        \_ Explain
        \_ It's a tad expensive but if you can't afford it you don't need
           it in the first place.  Buy an AMD or Cyrix or something.

12/2    Can someone please explain the *.asp format on web sites? What kind
        of language is it, and why is it prefered over traditional UNIX
        scripts?
        \_ it's not.
        \_ The above person means to say it's not prefered over UNIX scripts.
           In short, asp is yet another crime MS is trying to inflict on the
           rest of the world.  As far as I know, only MS's IIS uses it.

12/1    why is my display all messed up?  the screen isn't scrolling
        and clearing properly when reading mail.  is it still vt100?
        \_ works perfectly for me, get a new client.
         i'm using telnet
          \_ you are an idiot.
             \_ I FIND IT FASCINATING THAT YOUR ***** ASS WOULD NEVER
         BE ABLE TO CALL SOMEONE AN IDIOT IN REAL LIFE, OR EVEN
         SAY EXCUSE ME WHEN THEY'RE IN YOUR WAY.  IS THIS A
         POWER TRIP FOR YOU?  YOU'RE AN IDIOT BECAUSE YOU USE
         TELNET?  YOU'RE PATHETIC, YOU LITTLE SHIT-FACED
         CYBER-JACK-OFF MOMMA'S BOY.  YOU BETTER HOPE YOU NEVER
         SEE ME IN A DARK ALLEY, MOTHER FUCKER.
         \_ Yet you didn't have the balls to sign that?  -ax
          \_ I call people idiots in real life all the time.  I
             specifically called YOU an idiot (if you were the
             idiot who said "get a new client, I'm using telnet")
             because telnet has absolutely nothing to do with
             terminal emulation, and the client is almost certainly
             not the problem, anyway.  -tom
             \_ I wrote the "get a new client" line.  I did *not*
         write "I'm using telnet".  Relax Tom, it's only the
         MOTD.  You'll have a heart attack before you're 30 at
         this rate.   sign me, Concerned For Tom's Health
         BTW, I did *not* write that long ALL CAPS diatribe
         or call anyone an idiot, etc.  I'm just thinking of
         Tom.
          \_ "before" he turns 30? hahaahahaah.
            \_ How old is Tom?  I figured about 28 or so.
          --Concerned Even If Tom Is Older Than I Thought
           \_ 29.  -tom
             \_ Well, see?  Slow down or you could be
         dead before your next birthday.
            --Concerned About Tom At Any Age

12/1    Why does pine now require fully qualified hostnames for other
        computers in the http://berkeley.edu domain?
        \_ Name resolution weirdness being investigated.

12/1    Mark V is slower than its predecessor.
        \_ at what?
           \_ what are you smoking and where can i get some?
        \_ It's a fourth rate cpu from a third rate cpu cloner.  You expected
           something?

12/1    Join the protest against UCB offering scholarship to Chinese
        dissident Wei
         - why would you be against?  you some kind of commie?
         \_ I have never figured out why U.S. schools give free
             education and so much money to foreign students.
                    This kind of activity should be banned by law.
             \_ Uh, this isn't any random student.  It's a politcal
         gesture.  It has zero effect on your financial aid or
         ability to get an education.
                    \_ I totally agree.  The US policy is causing too
                       much of a brain drain and money drain for other
                       countries.  Educating their youth for free for
                       12 years, only to have them go to a US university,
                       to drain another $100000 from their country for
                       school fees and living expenses, and then have
                       the now productive person work in the US and pay
                       US taxes to pay for the education of US kids.
                       What a deal!
          \_ How many get a spot that a real American (read:
             read human being) would have had otherwise?

                        \_ I don't know about that, but the last time I
                           checked, the software industry where there is
                           a huge concentration of foreign born engineers
                           is short of 200000 engineers, and the
                           unemployment rate is at an all time low.
                           I don't know about UC Berkeley but at a lot
                           of less prominent universities, the professors
                           just can't find enough US graduate students
                           willing to spend 5 years of hardship and low
                           pay to do research work.

             \_ How idiotic: U.S. universities would be a
         bunch of third-rate diploma mills were it not
          for European Jewish intellectuals (ie.,
         Einstein, for starters) fleeing the Nazis for
         the U.S. Would you deny Enstein a fellowship?
          \_ I suspect very few graduate students are
             fleeing political persecution.  What
             happened 50 years ago is irrelevant (kinda
             like your argument).  Its foreign countries
             that need the U.S.
             The amount of academic support given to foreign
             students is disgusting.  Hmmm, lets educate
             our competition so they can undermine
             U.S. based industries.  Lets educate
             foreign students for free when so many
             bright kids in America are deprived of a
             passable education.  Think about it a little
             bit.

                           \_ Foreign born engineers and scientists is
                              one of the major strengths of US-based
                              industries.

                              As for US education, I thought it has improved
                              a great deal already.  In any case, it
                              already has one of the highest cost per
                              student.  Throwing more money at it is
                              probably not going to solve any ills that it
                              has.  Granted, some of the inner city schools
                              may have financial problems, but that is more
                              a problem of distribution.

        \_ Wei is one of the few interesting thinkers to have come
           out of China since the Cultural Revolution. That is,
           universities are vying for him because of his notable
        and influential scholarship. And I'm all for U.S. schools
           recruiting smart people, foreign or not.
         \_ Intellectuals and scholars OUT of UC Berkeley!  Down
         with the ivory towers! Sack all departments except for the
         athletic department! What do you think this is, a place
         of learning ?
         \_ This isn't about scholastic achievement or intellectualism.
            This is about some foreigner taking a spot a real American
            would have had.  Not just in the classroom but housing,
            jobs, and other resources.  What does this clown offer us
            in return?
          \_ How about scoring brownie points with the wealthy
             Asian donors that Chancellor Tien got to donate
              millions upon millions of dollars to the University,
             so that they want to donate even more?
             \_ You mean to build themselves an ugly building on
         campus to further their politcal agenda?
                   \_ This guy will write a book and will earn his US
                      publisher a few hundred thousand dollars in Taiwan
                      alone (if all you care is people taking your money).
        \_ I'm glad his publishers will make money.  I'm sure
           every crap book that Oprah features on her show makes
           money.  That doesn't mean the author belongs at
           Berkeley or any other decent school.

                      I don't know if this guy will succumb to the
                      disgraceful infighting of the Chinese exiles, but
                      he did spend 14 years in prison unlike the Tiananmen
                      square student leaders, so you have to give him the
                      benefit of the doubt.

                      Remember that the money for him is going to come
                      some Chinese/Far Eastern studies department/institute.
                      And his personal experience with the Chinese prison
                      system alone would probably bring more for the
                      department/institute than your typical graduate
                      student.  Now you may want to argue that Chinese/Far
                      Eastern studies are useless, but that's another
                      argument.
        \_ It's just a forum for further propaganda.

        \_ He won't be coming to UCB; he accepted a fellowship offered
           by Columbia University - android
         \_ Good.  Suckers.

12/1    in trn, i can't hit return(enter) i get a ^M char, pls advise.
         \_ stty
         \_ "stty -extproc" is what I need to do on http://best.com
         Can't get an explnation of what it does, but it works.

12/1    List yer Mk. V bug reports here:
        - tcsh %n prompt doesn't work
        - "wall -b" and "wallall -on" don't work the same any more
        \_ Ya, so?
         \_ If no one knows what's wrong, it can't be fixed.
          \_ I meant: "wallall doesn't work, so what?"
        \_ ls --colors doesn't work!  where's GNU LS!
           \_ it's in /usr/local/bin, buster. gnuls and its hardlinks. --aaron
         \_ ls --colors is an abomination from the depths of hell
          (aka linux)
         \_ alias ls /csua/bin/colorls
           \_ DOS had a colored DIR command years ago.  Don't be a DOS
              lamer.   -DOS #1 Fan
         \_ "ooh I'm so cool because I refuse to make use of a
             useful technology since it came from DOS."
             \_ Sort of like the anti MS & Intel bashers.
        \_ Do we have ping?  Where is it?
           \_ /sbin/ping -- yuen
         \_ do we have a ping that doesn't do stupid shit like provide
            three decimal places of "accuracy"?
            \_ Yeah, and what the fuck is with those damn decimal
        points in calculators and shit???
          \_ idiot.
        \_ (sorely tempted to list this motd as a bug...)

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